Weighing in on Donatelli



I wasn’t going to write about this because generally there’s no value to users in writing about what essentially is gossip fodder. But something was missing from the analysis I did read about the news that Dave Donatelli was leaving EMC to join HP to run its storage, server and networking division.

I, like many other observers, know Dave Donatelli. I don’t hang with him on weekends but I’ve known him for a long time– PS, as in pre-Symmetrix. Although less in-your-face, he was one of the many young, aggressive, type A personalities I worked with when EMC was cracking into the storage business with things like add-on cache memories for 3880 controllers. BTW – I think they sold two but it got them thinking about how cached disk could improve performance– nice idea.

To me, there are three categories of things to talk about regarding Donatelli leaving EMC: 1) The tabloid news; 2) The tactical implications and 3) The strategic issues. By far the most interesting is #3 but it’s understandable why people want to focus on #’s 1 and 2– so let’s start there.

The Why

The whole speculation that somehow Donatelli was informed he wasn’t next in line for the CEO’s job is silly. In my opinion there’s no way Dave Donatelli was in line to be CEO of EMC. He wouldn’t have been the best choice in the eyes of Wall Street and that alone would have killed any aspirations he had at this time. Maritz is the clear #2 at EMC/VMware (even though he has work to do) and there were 3′s and 4′s ahead of Dave in my view.  My guess is Donatelli knew this and had no animosity over it. It doesn’t mean he couldn’t have been successful but it would have been like Larry Bird getting the Celtics head coaching job over Rick Pitino– wasn’t gonna happen.

Donatelli had hit the glass ceiling. He was the President of EMC’s largest division and other than Tucci’s job and running VMware there isn’t a role in EMC that is more influential and interesting than was Dave’s. The job he’s taking at HP is. He’s obviously moving to CA because in MA, this employer-friendly state helps companies enforce non-competes and I guarantee EMC’s lawyers tried/are trying. Of course HP and Donatelli knew this was coming and I’m sure they have it covered.

Tactically, What does this Mean?

This is the biggest defection in EMC’s history. Moshe was as high profile but EMC wanted him out. Donatelli is a shocker. Dave Dewalt’s departure wasn’t even close to this. But I don’t think it ultimately will mean that much to EMC if they fill Dave’s shoes with someone that has his execution ethos. While as others point out, Donatelli is smart and stoic, the thing that makes him stand out is execution. He worked very closely in EMC’s early days with Dick Egan and Jack Egan and Mike Egan and Chris Egan and while they are all really smart what makes them stand out is they are brutal task masters. They just don’t make excuses, period. When people talk about EMC’s ability to execute, the roots are the Egans. Mike Ruettgers left an imprint but the Egans deposited the DNA firmly into EMC’s culture.

So watch closely for Dave’s replacement because if they find a mini-Dave you could see some flowers blossom.

The question is how will this play at HP? Scott Stallard replaced by Donatelli– wow. Donatelli, a micro-manager with an insane focus on delivering features and functions on time, at spec, no excuses. Someone who is a clear ‘finisher.’ I actually think it will play pretty well and fits with what Hurd wants. Frankly it sounds alot like Randy Mott. And this business about Donatelli replacing Hurd is just a waste of speculation. Don’t even worry about that. If Donatelli is successful he may inherit Ann Livermore’s role but more on that later.

Another interesting thought is Donatelli has been trashing Hitachi’s USPV (HP’s XP) for the past 1/2 decade or so and now it is his current high end offering. With V-Max out maybe EMC will make a run at HP again. HP is so much more of a services company now with EDS and unlike IBM doesn’t manufacture a high end product so who knows. Hitachi must be freaking out a bit– what a month; one OEM gets acquired by a Oracle who just wants to commoditize all hardware and your other OEM just put the dreaded enemy in charge– yikes!

And don’t forget NAS. EMC went from nowhere to leader with Celerra under Donatelli’s watch and that’s where the high growth is.

Bottom line: EMC is fine if it doesn’t mess with the recipe and HP gets an understated superstar. HP overnight becomes a more credible competitor in storage but that’s maybe not the story here.

The Bigger Picture

So HP just put a storage person in charge of servers and networking. Finally, HP makes a management move that acknowledges storage spending accounts for half of people’s hardware budgets! But there’s more to this chess match than storage and HP just moved a pawn on the board. The question is what can the Rook now see that it couldn’t before?

The landscape is changing as often it does at the end of decades. We are seeing a re-integration of the data center. EMC/VMware/Cisco, Oracle/Sun, IBM, HP/EDS, Microsoft, Amazon, Google. These are the big cloud players converging storage, servers and networks and supporting the data center of the future.

To round out the portfolio and compete, I’m told by my networking gurus that HP needs a stronger high end data center networking play than ProCurve. So an acquisition there could be one of Donatelli’s first big moves. To be sure he knows where Cisco/EMC/VMware are headed and has a running start. Services is a critical part of any data center player’s strategy and with EDS, HP is instantly credible and Donatelli’s boss, Livermore oversees HP’s EDS business.

The big question is in this world of consumerized everything, does IT become outsourced? Are the big bets by IBM, Oracle, EMC/VMware and Cisco misplaced? I personally don’t think so. I think the data center business will be alive and well for some time and virtualization, metering, ubiquitous networking, etc will be applied to internal data center operations to drive efficiencies and improve agility. IT management is going to keep the jewels in house for some time and adopt cloud-like technologies in the data center.

The IT business is becoming an oligopoly where control is in the hands of a small number of players and any move by one of the players can have a major influence on the market. So the next big question is can EMC/VMware thrive independently as a ‘tiny’ $15B company with a ‘puny’ sub $30B market cap and compete against $100B+ revenue giants like HP and IBM? Throw in a $60B Microsoft with a huge market cap and companies like Cisco and Oracle that are on their way to $50B in revenue competing with $100B+ valuations. NetApp? Not even on the radar in this scenario.

Bottom line: To be a major cloud player, EMC has to grow faster through acquisitions or get bought.

Amazing what a little diagonal move on the board can bring into focus.

Update: On 5/26, HP released this statement.

HP today announced that the Suffolk County Superior Court of Massachusetts entered an order that allows David Donatelli to begin working at the company.

This order modifies an earlier ruling by the court temporarily prohibiting Donatelli’s employment by HP.

Donatelli will serve as executive vice president of Enterprise Servers and Networking. Due to certain restrictions in the court’s most recent order, Dave Roberson, senior vice president and general manager of the StorageWorks division, will report directly to Ann Livermore, executive vice president of the Technology Solutions Group at HP, until the order is lifted.

HP is pleased with the court’s recent decision and looks forward to the contributions Donatelli will make to HP’s business.

Translation. We just ran back the kickoff but it was called back for holding. 

To my surprise, Donatelli and HP didn’t have this covered. I’m not sure if it’s because Donatelli wasn’t a California resident or maybe the California courts didn’t want to set a precedent with such a high profile executive or maybe HP and Donatelli took an ethical pill. Either way, it’s classic EMC– even when you beat them they extract a pound of flesh. Now HP has to re-org and Roberson gets to play ‘acting big cheese’ while Donatelli bones up on servers and networking.

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  1. #1 by Crawford on April 29, 2009 - 8:24 pm

    V:

    Nice post. To me one of the most interesting angles to this (and I really hate this phrase) will be the “change in culture” Dave D. will bring. Not sure I agree with the Randy Mott comparison. Randy was an outsider for sure, but brought a set of skills and a mission to HP that was new and almost adjacent to HP's course. Dave will need to acclerate some directions, (like Randy) but will also need change others (which Randy had to do less of). Randy also had Hurd as a direct manager — which made things easier.

    Dave inherits a very strong team, but one that's way different than what he had at EMC. Seeing how this team evolves will be really interesting.

    Craw

  2. #2 by Kus Emak Ars on April 30, 2009 - 2:15 pm

    One thing one has to take into consideration:
    Dave Donatelli will be banned by the court to move to HP. He signed iron clad NDA with his contarct that disallow him to do that. Plus common sense says that this is Industrial Espionage to recruit such an active senior manager from a compatitor.
    Also this move doesn't present Donatelli in a positive ligh,t this is a back stabbing not only to management by to all EMC employees.
    I wish EMC great success with its law suit and I believe it has a lot of merit.

  3. #3 by Steve Kenniston on May 1, 2009 - 1:27 pm

    Dave, as an ex-analyst and one who loves to see what goes on in the industry as a bigger picture, this is one of the most well written and well thought out articles I have ever read. I am very interested in what happens next in this industry. As you well know, there never is any shortage of speculation in this technology world. Hell, 9 years ago I worked at VRTS and then I would have bet the farm on an investment spyder that was Sun, Oracle, EMC and Veritas… Look at where we are today? Nice job Dave!

  4. #4 by Dave V on May 1, 2009 - 8:01 pm

    I hate the C-word too too Crawford but you are right. Donatelli is not your prototypical HP manager is he?

  5. #5 by Dave V on May 1, 2009 - 8:03 pm

    What I know is MA is an employer-friendly state and CA is an employee-friendly state. My advice to DD is head west young man!

  6. #6 by Martin V on May 4, 2009 - 12:58 pm

    Great post. I worked at EMC for 6 years and I think your analysis is spot on. Donatelli was well respected. Regarding the non-compete agreement, I also agree that Donatalli and HP have thought this through. A reasonable person may think that a contract between a Massachusetts based employee and employer would be enforceable in a Massachusetts court but the law is not so reasonable! There is a strong precedent in California, “Application Group, Inc. v. Hunter Group” which has facts almost identical to this case and the result was the application of California law to allow the employee to work in CA despite a non-compete clause that was legal and enforceable in Maryland. I am not a lawyer, but I think the basic principle here is that while states have a requirement to uphold laws of other states (Full Faith and Credit Clause), they don't have to do so if the law conflicts with their own. California has very clear laws prohibiting non complete clauses, so there is a big conflict and prior precedent to rule in the employee's favor. California does not want other states deciding who can or cannot work here so this is bigger than just one non compete clause. By the way, there are many other laws protecting trade secrets and intellectual property which California completely respects so EMC can still enforce most of it's Key Employee Agreement.

    Nothing in the law is ever 100% clear though, and EMC looks intent to litigate. This will be an interesting case to watch. As an executive in Silicon Valley I have to say I hope “Hunter” is upheld. Some of the SV magic comes from the mobility of the workforce at all levels and I would hate to see that squashed. Where would the computer revolution be if Noyce and Moore could not leave Fairchild to start Intel because of a non-compete agreement?

  7. #7 by joseph martins on May 5, 2009 - 12:05 am

    Actually, the precedent isn't as strong as you might believe it to be, Martin. Review “Medtronic, Inc. v. Advanced Bionics Corp” and ask Mark Stultz and ABC how their attempt to make and end run around his Minnesota non-compete worked out.

    The reality is sister courts can tie these cases up with endless appeals, petitions, motions, and competing affirmations until the games become pointless. Donatelli may very well be enjoined from working for HP for the duration of his non-compete if EMC pursues the issue aggressively. And if HP didn't dot its “I”s and cross its “T”s with regard to its obligations to Donatelli should the non-compete be enforced, it may very well end up paying him to do absolutely nothing at all. I've seen it happen before to a past employer.

  8. #8 by David Vellante on May 5, 2009 - 5:00 pm

    Very interesting discussion. I don't think there's any question EMC intends to pursue this aggressively. EMC pursues everything that matters aggressively and this clearly matters.

  9. #9 by martinvr on May 6, 2009 - 7:42 pm

    Thank you for your reply. I looked at the case you mentioned and you have a good point. My information is out of date. I find it amazing that one man's decision of which company to work for may bubble up into a state's rights issue, but I suppose that happens all the time in law.

  10. #10 by Dave Vellante on May 7, 2009 - 1:00 pm

    Donatelli's move has prompted lots of discussion in the blogosphere about this. Does a company own you until a year after they release you? Should a company be allowed to stop you from using your main skills to enhance your career and force you to basically start over any time you leave?

    Many feel that non-competes specifically are why silicon valley consistently out-innovates rte 128. Others believe that a company has the right to protect the value it has created. There is evidence both ways. Silicon valley companies like HP, Oracle and Cisco have thrived for years without non-competes. On the other hand a company like NetApp killed Auspex with former Auspex employees. I have no doubt that if EMC didn't have non-competes, MA would have MUCH more storage innovation here.

    On the other hand– why should EMC, who in good faith agreed with Donatelli that he would be paid millions and be put in charge in exchange for signing a non-compete, cave on this issue?

    I don't have the answers but I lean toward Darwinism.

  11. #11 by Captain_Chris on May 8, 2009 - 11:48 pm

    Steve, Great post. Prior to Maritz being appointed to the helm at VMware, I agree with him in the number 2 spot at EMC to succeed Joe. BUT I'm wondering where does Harry You fit in at EMC? Surely an exec of that pedigree being brought into EMC reporting to Joe, has to have a greater role than the nebulas role he currently fills. Given his operational background, experience in M & A activity and investment banking knowledge, there has to be some plan for him that's a higher calling than “growth and efficiency initiatives”. Or as you say “EMC has to grow faster through acquisitions or get bought”. Now I can see Harry spearheading an initiative of that caliber…..Just my two cents. I really enjoy reading your post.

  12. #12 by joseph martins on May 14, 2009 - 11:47 pm

    Hi Dave,

    As I wrote on my blog earlier this month, to me the value of non-competes isn't the issue. It's about honoring our commitments, legal or handshake.

    The majority of us are already free to move about and seek employment with companies that are in alignment with our professional goals. If they require non-competes we are free to seek employment elsewhere. Nobody is twisting anyone's arm to sign anything, particularly not in the case of highly qualified executives who might easily find employment in any number of companies. Clearly they sign the agreements after they've weighed the pros and cons. Clearly the carrot is bigger than the stick.

    I simply do not believe non-competes have anything to do with ground-floor innovation, not at the executive level. And for every company that thrives without non-competes, we can find one that thrives with non-competes. If we want to understand why CA appears to out-innovate MA, we should look deeper into the business and tax incentives and giveaways used to attract tech, the companies themselves, and the VC burbs.

    There is absolutely no way that anyone would convince me that a high level executive with extensive knowledge of a former employer's inner workings isn't going to use [at least some of] that knowledge to compete against it. One could say, “so what, competition is healthy.” To which I respond, “I agree, but is doing so ethical?” The military is an excellent example of why it is extremely critical to prevent key information about capabilities and strategies from falling into the hands of the opposition. People who provide the opposition with such information are classified as traitors and enemies of the State.

    Now, having written that, I am against the use of non-competes forced upon rank-and-file employees during layoffs when companies tend to require them in exchange for severance packages. Completely legal, and in my opinion, also unethical.

    As I read the recent discussions about non-competes I noticed that nearly every one of them focused on the opinion that the agreements are evil and shouldn't exist. Perhaps there is some merit in that position, but in Donatelli's case it's a moot point. The day he countersigned that agreement he made a commitment to honor it, as did EMC. I can count on one hand how many people discussed the importance of companies and employees honoring commitments.

    Do we really want to set a moral and ethical precedent that it's ok to break agreements by simply moving to jurisdictions that do not recognize them?

  13. #13 by HP anon on June 28, 2009 - 6:18 pm

    Craw and others that know Dave – any advice on working with him, his people skills, etc? Wondering what his philsophies are, what he respects, dislikes, etc.

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